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Continuing on from last week's Discussion Topic Journal.  Last week I looked at the tsundere archetype because it's the most popular and most seen out of the dere archetypes.  Going from that, I'll this time look at the second most popular dere archetype.

Yandere.

Like last week's journal on the tsundere archetype, the journal will be structured like so:
1. Characteristic description
2. Personal opinion
3. Bad examples
4. Good examples
5. How to rectify

Don't worry, I won't add the above points anymore in the next journal when I assess the next dere archetype.  =^^=

Now, without further ado, shall we begin? >w<

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Assessment #2 - Yandere
After tsundere, in my opinion, I'd have to say that yandere would be the second most popular dere archetype.  "Yandere" is a portmanteau of "yanderu" meaning a mental or emotional illness,  and "dere" which means to show affection.  So, basically a yandere is a person who is mentally unstable because of love; or a person who can shower affection to the person they love, but is also mentally unstable.

A yandere is seen by most as the opposite of almost all of the other dere archetypes.  Whereas all of the other archetypes are "something" outside and sweet on the inside, a yandere meanwhile is a character who is sweet and appears kind and harmless on the outside, but is actually crazy inside.

They're the type of person who are crazily in love with their object of affection.  Woe to the poor soul who happens to be that very object of their affection.  

Woe also to those who may be in the way of their affections for their love interest. 

OC creators usually use this kind of structure if not a tsundere (or a Mary-Sue).  What many don't know is that there are actually two types of yandere.  Obsessive and possessive.  They may seem similar at first, however they're both actually quite different.

Type A: Obsessive - This type of yandere is the one that is constantly thinking of their love interest.  They're also willing to kill anyone or anything that gets in the way of them and their love interest.  However, these types of yandere would never hurt their love interest.  They'd rather kill anything else around them so that they could keep their love interest to themselves.

Type B: Possessive - Unlike the obsessive tsundere, a possessive one is usually seen to be far worse than the obsessive one.  Whereas an obsessive yandere wouldn't hurt their love interest, the possessive one isn't afraid to kill their love interest ala "If I can't have you, then nobody can!"

However, be also aware that the yandere is crazy because of love.  They can have problems, yes, however they snap because of a love interest, their love for their love interest, or sometimes even a friend if they're that close.  A person who appears sweet and innocent on the outside, but snaps for no reason or with a different reason that isn't love-related, that is not a yandere - that type of character is defined as a yangire.  

A yangire is basically a character who's cute and psycho.  They may seem cute and kind outside, but they snap at something even more unpredictably than a yandere.  It could usually stem from a traumatic experience, a split personality, or a mental disorder.  Their motivation, if they have one, can vary immensely.  They don't even necessarily need someone or something to provoke them into getting into their crazy state - sometimes they can just switch into that state for no reason.

Yangire is a portmanteau of yandere and kireru - "kireru" meaning "to snap" or "to lose one's temper."

However, a character can be both a yandere and a yangire.  If they fulfill the requirements or what makes a yandere and a yangire, then they're both.

Still, I'm not really here to talk about yangire, I'm here to talk about yandere.  There's really not much to define on yangire, anyway - it's quite straightforward.

Now, for my own opinion on yandere?

Well, truth be told, like tsundere, I'm not fond of them, either.  However, unlike tsundere, yandere can usually avoided - at least, for me.  Yandere tend to appear in more drama and horror genres of anime and manga, however they do sometimes appear in comedy or funny harem stories, but the more insane tendencies of the yandere tend to get downplayed, played for laughs, or done in a way that it's not usually expected.  I don't really watch or read many horror or drama anime or manga, as nowadays I prefer to keep things either funny or just plain simple with slice-of-life.

That, and I'm not really watching or reading anything new because I have to prepare for my first semester in uni...TT7TT

Anyway, while tsundere get on my bad side a lot due to almost constantly being given the same treatment with the typical gimmick of screaming and hitting their love interest while calling them a moron or an idiot, I do at times give yandere characters a chance just to see the characterization as I have seen a few, and they're all done with similar mannerisms, but with different angles to their character.  The ones that I have seen did definitely leave an impression instead of being seen as the typical bitch that I see in tsundere before throwing their characters on the kerb for being irrelevant and cliche.

However, are my impressions on these yandere characters good or bad? Well, again, it depends.

If done badly, a yandere is seen as disgusting and ruthless.  Someone you'd probably want to shoot in the head or put down so they're no longer causing problems with their disturbing nature.  That, and these kinds of yandere are seen to be clingy to the point it's highly annoying or even frustrating.  What's worse is that when a yandere is also portrayed badly or done poorly, the disgusting behaviour can include believing the character to be their possession rather than a living, breathing person who is worthy of respect.

And really, that does not at all sit well with me.

I truly hate objectification - whether it be male or female (and trust me, nowadays male objectification is becoming pretty common, too).  I don't care if it's because "you love them" or some bullshit reason like that - you're a piece of shit if you feel that you own them, they're yours (if I had a dollar every time I've heard "You're mine..."), or that they can only be yours and nobody else's.

Yep.  You guys can see how much I feel on that.

Sadly, bad examples of yandere very much go into that, and most of the time they remain.

Case #1 - Jisoo [Dandelion: Wishes Brought to You]

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(Looks don't matter if you're an easily jealous, possessive jerk.)

And, Dandelion makes another appearance with this time, another character.  I had to admit - out of all of the love interests, I did think Jisoo was the most attractive: hell, I still think he's the hottest guy out of them.  However, to me, looks mean absolutely zero if the guy's personality is a piece of shit, or I don't feel comfortable with it.

And trust me, you don't get comfortable if you continue to cross paths with this kitty.

At first he starts off quite funny and likable - he's always hungry and loves to eat, he hates taking baths (he's a cat boy, so...) and besides Jihae, he seems to care about the protagonist, Heejung, quite a lot.  He also is the only love interest who tries more actively to get the protagonist to like them whereas everyone else is quite distant.  I honestly thought it was very cute.

Things change, however, when you start to show more interest in him, that's when his crazy jealous side comes out.

Not only does he start stalking Heejung when she leaves her apartment, but he also starts to get more...physical.  He actually gives her bruises on her arms and wrists when he starts to handle her more roughly.  Just pictured above, you can see that he crushed her phone, too.  Crushed it because he doesn't want Heejung interacting with other guys, and he gets pissy and upset whenever she interacts with other guys.

That attitude doesn't at all sit well with me.

Also, whenever I play things with endings, I always go for the bad ending first so I can look forward to something good.  Sadly, his bad ending really left a bad impression where he actually drugs Heejung and keeps her all to himself. 

People may disagree with me on Jisoo by saying that he's just overly worried for Heejung since she's quite innocent, and tends to work herself out a lot (especially with having five new guys living with her, which would mean having to cook and clean more) and he just loves her that much.  However, I would not stick around for a guy who would treat me roughly to the point he'd give me bruises, and who gets easily jealous - majority of my friends are boys: if he can't accept that we're just friends, then it not only shows lack of trust, but he's also not worth anything in my book.  We're just friends, asshole.

Girls, remember that.

That also goes the same for you, guys - if majority of your friends are girls, and your girlfriend gets easily jealous and gets really bitchy at it such as constantly demanding where you go and jumping to conclusions without proof, then dump that bitch's ass.  Find someone who'll respect you and your friends.  If she slaps or hits you, tell her off and that she's prone to assault charges.

Still, I'd take Jisoo the yandere cat-boy over Jiwoo the tsundere bunny-boy.  Why? Well, it's only because of his wish at the end: he wishes for his little sister to get better whereas Jiwoo wishes for revenge on people who hurt him - showing a lack of maturity.  That won back some sympathy points for me for Jisoo.  That, and if you don't pursue him romantically, he doesn't show this disturbing, crazy jealous side of him.

I would never trust a guy like Jisoo as my boyfriend.  He could definitely be my friend because of his previous characterization as an edgy big eater, but boyfriend? If you want a guy who looks hot, then by all means, be my guest.  But, I want a guy who'll respect and trust me - who's gentle, sweet and understanding.  If you want to be handled roughly or want it rough, then go for it.

It honestly really does seem like this guy's virtually going crazy because of love.  

Case #2 - Toma [Amnesia]


(Once again - good looks are nothing if your personality is shit, plus those fucking legs...0.o)

The only good thing in Amnesia was Kent (one of your love interests).  Well, whereas Kent was the best thing in Amnesia, the Heroine and this guy are probably the worst things.  At first Toma seems fine in that he's a childhood friend of yours, and always had feelings for you, however his feelings for you, and the fact that you have a previous lover pre-amnesia that could possibly be your other childhood friend, Shin, gets him to go pretty damn insane.  That, and because you have amnesia, he tricks you into thinking he's your boyfriend.

Anyway, there's too much crap to get into with Amnesia as I didn't bother to pay too much attention to the story anymore (and trust me, there's a lot of shit going on in there), because the Heroine pissed me off for being an extreme doormat and a huge dumbass that will make you want to rip out your hair in frustration (yep, otome protagonist syndrome...yay...=w='b), and everything else was just not working well with me (save for Kent).  Hell, she forgives this guy for all the crap he does to her.

What does he do?

Well, besides lying to her about being her boyfriend, which is already a huge no-no since he's basically taking advantage of a girl who has no memory for his own selfish desire; he keeps her in his room to keep her safe; shit hits the fan when after he's uncovered by Shin - Toma forcefully kisses you to slip a roofie in your mouth, so he could kidnap you and place you in a cage.

I'm not joking.

This bastard places the Heroine in a cage.  He lets her use the bathroom as long as he's watching, and when he let her out so she could eat, he ties her hands together and when she eats her food, he says, "Good girl."  When you do escape the cage, this creepy and crazy fucker comes in, and basically pins her down and along the creepy dialogue, he asks if he should do something horrible to the Heroine.  He then says, "It might even be good if you broke.  I have belief in the fact that I would still love you even then."  Yeah, totally not creepy at all - way to go, you asshole...=_='

His reasoning was to protect the Heroine from other men, and it's also because he wants the Heroine to himself so she wouldn't have to leave to her real lover (which is fruitless in his route because there, he is your forgotten lover).  However, what makes it more disgusting is the fact that the Heroine just forgives him for doing these extreme things because she always loved him, and that she and her spirit adviser, Orion, try to justify his actions.

Heroine: "He did this all to protect me?"
Orion: "Yeah, it's strange, but he can't help that his feelings are too strong!"

And this is how abusive relationships last, people.  If someone does this to you - would you really take it?

I sure as hell wouldn't.  It shows that this person either needs to be locked in an insane asylum, or thrown away in prison.  Saying that "his/her feelings are too strong - that's why they do this" - is not at all acceptable in any way; especially if they don't treat you like a respected human being who can make, and has the right to make their own decisions.  

It's humiliating and degrading: I wouldn't be surprised if feminists would bash the Heroine for coming to accept he just did this all because he "loved" her (I wouldn't even call this love: to me, it's just plain abuse), and this guy for just being a hugely creepy motherfucking bastard who gets no repercussion for his actions, and with his actions which could basically allude to "Oh, he possibly emotionally abused me and took advantage of me - but he did it because he loves me, so I'll forgive him for his actions!"

Pieces of shit like him are the ones who deserve to be kept in cages.

Case #3: Sekai Saionji [School Days]


(Female yandere are actually far more common than males.)

A tip to those who want to watch an anime or read a manga: do not watch or read School Days.

It's a piece of shit story with no likable characters.  At least in Dandelion (which has two characters listed) it's got four nice characters; even in Amnesia where I found myself not caring anymore, it had one character I liked - Kent.  However, with School Days, you'd want to probably murder everyone in it.

However, besides the protagonist, one infamous Makoto Itou (who brings shame on the name "Makoto" - poor Tachibana and Naegi), this bitch is the one I wanted to beat the shit out of and strangle, before unleashing a gatling gun's full throttle the most.

She pushes and shoves until she gets what she wants: she cares for nobody but herself.  You know all those words that's said during a cat fight? Whoreskankcheaterbitch all of them would properly fit this cunt to a tee.

Now, though Makoto Itou is a huge sack of shit and I hate this guy just as much as Sekai, he was interested in one girl at first: Kotonoha.  Sekai then basically at tries to set them up because he likes her a lot.  However, when Itou and Kotonoha are finally dating, Sekai gets jealous because she always loved him.  

So what does she do?

Seduces him even when he's already dating and they have sex.

What an incredibly bitch thing to do - especially because your friend's already dating another girl that you helped hook up with in the first damn place.  Doesn't help that said other girl, Kotonoha, is the target of bullying for no good reason and she's denied happiness because of your fucking selfishness.  This naturally causes a break-up, especially since Itou's been screwing with many other girls after his one experience with Sekai.

So yes, she basically turned him or at least got him into the path of becoming the sex-addicted sack of shit that we all know.

She also pulls the "I'm pregnant" card to Itou when he tries to get back together with Kotonoha as a last desperate attempt.  Itou, being the sack of shit that he's become, freaks out and tells her to abort via text message along with saying that it's her fault (yeah, I'll bash on both of them: even if Itou's not a yandere).  She becomes insane, which leads her to killing him with a sword by crying, "You're so cruel!"

Bitch, you're the one who started this whole mess.  Things could've been hunky-dory if you either just told him that you liked him in the first place, or hadn't thought with your nether regions and come into the mix by seducing your good friend who you agreed to help hook another girl with in the first fucking place!

She doesn't know how to stop: she would keep going on and on doing more heinous things (seducing Itou, being a bitch to Kotnoha, lying about being pregnant so Itou wouldn't leave her, stabbing him to death) until she was satisfied and got what she wanted instead of facing the music and accepting that what you've done is horrible, will lead to more horrible consequences, and that you yourself will ultimately suffer from karma.  Even then, she ultimately wasn't satisfied with the attention that she got, and continues to cheat, lie and backstab while trying to look innocent and pure the whole way through.

Those tendencies would only magnify in the manga where she becomes even more of a manipulative bitch (plus, she even kills off Kotonoha).  Hell, in the games (the anime was based on the game), there are endings where she tries to push Kotonoha into the path of an oncoming train because Itou chooses Kotonoha over her, and there's another where she stabs Kotonoha to death and leave her bleeding on the street.

This bitch deserves to fucking burn.  She's a horrible character: a possessive yandere done horribly, and she's basically the alpha bitch at high school, but twisted worse in a way who'd actually kill or harm someone and anyone just because she doesn't get what she wants (i.e. Itou).  Pshh - she and the sack of shit truly deserve each other.

I was rejoicing at her death in the last episode.  Rejoicing just as much as Itou got stabbed by her.

Now, going onward, yandere can be seen as very despicable characters that you can easily hate if done wrong or poorly - much like cousin tsundere.  

However, if a yandere is done correctly or with a new twist or added depth to them, then they become very intriguing and even sympathetic characters.  

So, here are what I consider the good examples of yandere.

Case #1 - Kotone Kirishima [Nyan Koi!]


(I like her more than her twin sister, who's a tsundere.)

Some may not classify Kotone as a yandere, but screw it - I think she is, and I'll list her as one.  Mainly because she fits the mold of what makes a yandere:

a) She's sweet and gentle on the outside.
b) She has a more twisted side to her that has to do with her love interest.

Kotone is a bit of an interesting twist on a yandere.  The guys that she gets interest in are all known for being very unfortunate or unlucky.  She is drawn to guys whose luck sucks: Junpei (the protagonist) and a male teacher of hers being the guys she was into.  She stalks Junpei and is far more forward with her feelings to him - usually expressing it in rather unconventional means such as the above picture.  Her sister, though protective of her, is also sometimes shown to be a bit fearful of her due to her delusional side of misfortune being afflicted to a guy being quite romantic and attractive.

She does get jealous whenever another girl shows interest in Junpei: even emailing him a warning that he should not go any further than holding hands with Kaede (the girl who Junpei really likes), or something might happen to his body.  However, she does let him continue on with his date with Kaede unlike other yandere who would most likely kill off the competition or kill off their love interest.

Compared to other female yandere, Kotone is far more tame and very downplayed - however that's probably why I like her.  Because her twisted side when it comes to her affection for Junpei, is played for laughs as Nyan Koi is a comedy harem genre, and she hasn't been violent to Junpei, either.  Also, it probably helps that Junpei is quite a sensible protagonist and isn't allured by her.

Sadly, she doesn't have much to expand on because Nyan Koi! is pretty short (only 12-13 episodes), and the twins come in around half-way of the show.

Case #2 - Belarus/Natalya Arlovskaya [Hetalia Axis Powers]


(One of the many victims of crazy rabid yaoi dumbasses who froth at the mouth.)

A beautiful yet harsh and intimidating young woman who emits a hostile atmosphere.  The only person she seems to love is her big brother, Russia.  However, her love for him is romantic, and unwanted on his part.  Still, that doesn't deter her determination in pursuing him - as seen when she breaks down a doorknob in order to reach him.  

Something Hetalia fans are all aware of is Belarus' obsession with her brother in that she'd harm anyone who gets close to him, as well as her wishes in wanting to marry him.  She is shown to be very hostile towards the Baltics (Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia), and even her older sister, Ukraine, because Russia spends more time with them, and seems to prefer their company than hers.  She even breaks Lithuania's fingers when he asked her on a date, and detests him the most because Russia seems to favour him.

However, though her behaviour is seen as atrocious to many, when looking deeper into her character, you see far more than that.

First of all, Belarus has hobbies - she is interested in the occult; she's good at fortune-telling; is an avid reader of the newspaper, Pravda; and is also a good gymnast even saying that the gymnasium is her pride.  So, her life doesn't just revolve around her obsessive love for Russia: she has her own things to do, too.

Plus, she does interact with others besides Russia - Lithuania being one (though it usually ends in bodily harm and love that's not reciprocated).  Latvia is another she interacts with - in the Sealand and Latvia mascots, she shows a more philosophical side, which surprises him.  The two also talk about various stories of the moon, speak about Mary Celeste, and also show mutual marvel at Belarus' National Library.  Latvia also goes to her house for Halloween to get candy, despite the fact that Belarus keeps telling him every year that Belarusian children don't go door-to-door to ask for candy during the celebration, so she had no candy for him.  He even tells her when she complains about Lithuania and Poland and why they continue to annoy her (though the character used can also mean "care for" or "are concerned for") was because they were "at that age."

Expanding from Latvia being surprised at Belarus showing a more philosophical side, this further expands her character than just a typical yandere.  During her talk with Latvia, Belarus reveals that she's got a negative outlook on human life due to their suffering and misfortunes because of their pursuit for eternal happiness.  This in turn, points at the nature of immortality of the nations, which is a long debated topic in Hetalia fandom.  

Belarus also values her boss because she knows that eventually he'll die, so she must value the things now before death comes to take it from her.  She also has questions she frequently wonders to herself about life that borders existentialist - she questions how much longer she'll live, as well as her reason for existence.  Belarus then states that she only wondered about such things because she's lonely.  She thinks that "as long as we have something to eat, it's fine" and works hard on her agriculture due to her bad economy.

Looking more deeply into Belarus' character, it's clear that she's far more than just a young woman who has an obsessive desire for marrying her brother.  She is aware of everything around her, and she has her own thoughts and hobbies - her character is expanded beyond that of being crazy in love.  

Though her craziness for her love for her brother is definitely her most highlighted trait, it is not her only trait.  And that's why I appreciate Belarus and find her a compelling, yet also rather saddening, character.

Case #3: Russia/Ivan Braginski

Tags: Anime, Himaruya Hidekaz, Axis Powers: Hetalia, Russia, Soviet Union, Allied Forces
(And I mean canon Russia by Himaruya; like Romano, Russia's fanon portrayal is usually quite shit.)

Probably the only male yandere I've liked so far.  I guess it runs in the family...XD

Russia is defined as the largest out of the Allies, and despite his great height, he's seen as childish.  However, much like a yandere, he appears to be simple and pure outside, but inside he's cruel, though in a way that's similar to a childish cruelty where he isn't aware that what he's doing is cruel.  

That's an interesting psychology to have with a character - most yandere are defined with a cruelty that's akin to that of a pissy and immature teenager who would go "wah" just because they can't accept that the person they like also has needs, and insist that they're the one who can make their lover happy.  They're most likely aware of what they're doing, and are actively selfish.  Children, meanwhile, are usually seen to be unaware of their actions, or at least the consequences or how much their actions bear.  It's part of cognitive development - they'll obey rules because of rewards they get, and they'll not do something because it equals punishment.  When they grow older, their mind develops, and they're more prone to being aware of the weight of their actions, as well as the possibilities of the consequences.

To have a grown man with this kind of psychology is both intriguing yet disturbing as he's not acting his age, and such behaviour is considered odd (it's one thing to be a "child at heart", but to be childish in itself?).  Plus, Russia's yandere tendencies don't even go on romantic love - it goes on friends, or people he considers as friends, or wants to be friends with.  

He considers everyone his friend, but as he also claims that there is "no such service" when it comes to compromising with him.  It's either he gets his way or not - a very similar behaviour seen in a stubborn child who's used to getting his way.  

However, Russia's reasons for being this way is most probably due to his history.  From his start as a child nation, he's already been involved in a number of wars, as well as bullying, forced servitude and constant pursuing by other countries (countries responsible being shown to be Mongolia, Denmark, Sweden and Prussia).  Russia is also mocked and tormented by General Winter, which results in him hating his cold weather and wishing for a much warmer place.

He really reaches his breaking point in the Bloody Sunday 1905 strip where his own people turn against him.  Strip can be found here:
=> hetalia.livejournal.com/1045.h…

All of this can explain why he's become mentally unstable as bullying can cause mental trauma, and all of the torment he's gone under, has caused him to finally crack.

Though others perceive him as just being flat-out insane at times, he's actually more perceptive than one would think.  He does have his own quirks - he's good at tweaking with technology including hacking, is good at knitting and cooking, and has a penchant for the colour pink (he volunteers to be the pink ranger in a CD drama).  

Also, coming into more recent strips, Russia is rather reflective with his actions, sometimes expressing regret.  Russia himself mopes that he's had to use force to make friends, as his bosses have encouraged him to do so.  His relationship with his sisters is quite strained - he is uncomfortable and disturbed by Belarus' proposals of marriage, and is upset at his sour relationship with his older sister, Ukraine.  In particular, he misses the days he was a child and when he and his sisters got along.  Ukraine was also the one who gave him his scarf, which he still wears to this day.

Case #4: Lucy [Elfen Lied]


(Final example, and possibly one of the most intense.)

It's been a long time since I've looked at Elfen Lied, so I may still be rusty on some parts, however I looked up on things again, and I do remember more important parts.  It's a series I recommend, however I don't recommend it to people who have a weak stomach or who are faint of heart.  It's got a rather depressing atmosphere, a crap load of violence (the first episode alone is infamous for being quite violent), nudity, and there's a lot of suffering involved for a number of characters.

One of the most prominent being Lucy.

Lucy is a Diclonius - that is, a separate race from humans that have two horns protruding from their head, and have powers that involve the use of invisible arms known as "vectors".  A key point of debate with the series is whether or not the Diclonii's penchant for violence, and their vendetta against humans is something genetic, or stemming from abuse from humans.

At first, you'd want to hate Lucy for being such a cold-hearted bitch: she kills humans for no good reason who are in her way.  She's cruel, ruthless and has what appears to be a lack of empathy towards humans when she kills or tortures them - unafraid to rip them apart limb-from-limb with her vectors.  Hell, she kills the father and younger sister of Kouta - the boy who was probably one of the only people to ever be kind to her, and who she loved - because Kouta had lied to her in that he was going to the festival with his cousin who's a boy, and she saw him with a girl cousin instead.

However, she is not without her own story.  As a child, she was very shy and sweet, but she was picked on in the orphanage she was living in for being a "freak of nature".  The only friend she had was a puppy who wasn't afraid of her, and who can't judge.  When she finally makes a human friend in a little girl, said little girl however sells her out to the group of boys who bullied her, and it's implied that the little girl was actually leading Lucy on the whole time: getting her hopes up, only to crush it and make her life miserable because she isn't human.  Here is when your hate for Lucy will get transferred into pure hatred for her tormentors.  How and why?

They kill her puppy.

That's right.  A group of kids who bullied, mocked and relentlessly tormented a shy and sweet little girl who did nothing, killed the only friend she had, which was only a little puppy.

As a result, Lucy snaps - she brutally kills her tormentors, and it starts her path of darkness.

Elfen Lied is about Lucy's struggles; she gets experimented on subsequently, and the two times she tries again to make friends in general, it doesn't end well.  The first, she gets betrayed again; the second one meanwhile dies from wounds and that causes her to undergo despair.  Her one thought to continue living was to find Kouta and apologize to him for what she had done to him - preferring to live a peaceful and normal life with him, and finally stop her killing.  However, it also focuses on her fractured mind, and inner turmoils as well as her development from a cold-hearted monster to an anti-hero who is quite capable of love and still has humanity left in her despite her abuse.

Another is that no matter the media - anime or manga - Lucy doesn't go unscathed.  Kouta, instead of reciprocating her feelings, tells her that he hates her, and declares that he can't ever forgive her for what she's done.  Despite me feeling quite sympathetic for Lucy after we get a dive into her character, I also definitely agree with Kouta and that he's very much justified for his hate.  

This in turn shows that actions have their consequences - some that most people who write yandere tend to forget and brush it off as "my love is just that strong for you!" This, would perhaps make Lucy a deconstructed example of a yandere.  However, she also takes it into stride, and doesn't force Kouta to love her, nor does she lock him away and force him to do that - something that's quite common in yandere characters.  She's still a killer, and though she hates her target's guts (i.e. Yuka), she'd never kill Kouta, nor would she ever kill anyone in his presence.

I won't spoil anymore for Lucy and her character, because, like Marie, I do respect her character, and I feel that it's better that you look at her story rather than me telling anymore about it.  However, it does get saddening and again, depending on which medium of Elfen Lied you look at, the ending will either be satisfying (or bittersweet to some) or very disheartening - it's unfortunately, quite a crappy world she lives in. 

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Overall, like tsundere, yandere characters, though not flanderized, are very prone to becoming one-note and typical: relying on a cheap gimmick of their insanity because of love.

This typicality tends to be a mixed bag - some love it because of the whole "love makes you do crazy things" mindset, others hate it because it's considered disturbing and too much.  I myself was never a fan of yandere much like tsundere, however I actually wouldn't mind seeing flanderization of a yandere's character depending on the circumstances.

For instance, Lucy from Elfen Lied is a yandere who's taken up to eleven - she kills the father and younger sister of the boy she loves and who was the first to show real kindness towards her all because she saw him with a female cousin instead of a male one at the summer festival.  However, Elfen Lied is a psychological horror genre anime/manga - Lucy's demeanour and insanity is meant to be shocking.  The characterization of a yandere definitely has potential for horror stories.

Meanwhile, Kotone Kirishima is a more downplayed and tame example of a yandere.  However, Nyan Koi! is a comedy-romance harem genre anime, so it explains why her characterization is lesser than most yandere.  Still, she counts as being one, regardless.  Though she expresses sexual desires in the main protagonist, Junpei, she is drawn to him because of his misfortunes and bad luck and is eager when seeing him go under more misfortune.  She stalks him, and she even sends him a threatening email that Junpei may end up having harm to his body.  However, she says that only if Junpei goes beyond hand-holding with Kaede - most yandere wouldn't certainly allow that: hell, most yandere would get pissed if their love interest just talks to some other potential love interest.  Also, though she does get jealous of other girls and clearly doesn't like it, she doesn't snap and lock Junpei away, but instead becomes even more forward with her feelings to him in hopes that he'd take her.  And though she does get really eager whenever Junpei undergoes bad luck and misfortune, she's still willing to help him cure his curse.

Most romances that tend to have a yandere love interest, make them do something heinous to the person they supposedly love, and the reasoning for that is usually flimsy: that is, "I love you so much - you're only going to look at me" and also "nobody can touch you - only me, me, me".  It also leads to unfortunate implications when the protagonist chooses or forgives them for their actions in that this sort of behaviour that borderlines or even is flat-out abuse is okay, which is definitely not the case.

Jisoo and Toma are possessive and easily jealous yandere males.  Jisoo is unafraid to give the girl he supposedly loves bruises, he jumps to conclusions without proof in that you're seeing other guys, and he even crushes your phone in the bad ending so you don't interact with any other guy.  Toma, the creepy piece of shit that he is, locks you in a cage and won't allow you to use the bathroom without him watching you, lies to you that he's your boyfriend in the first place because he's afraid that he wasn't your lover pre-amnesia, and even ponders that he may do something horrible to you and that it wouldn't matter if you broke because he'd still love you.

What can really recover a yandere character is their depth of character.  That is, either give them a very good back-story that can explain their behaviour, give them characterization that's beyond their obsessive or possessive love, or to develop their character and try to make them grow.

Sekai Saionji is a hatable character due to her being a selfish, manipulative and continuously pushing to get what she wants bitch, and she stays that way until she finally dies from the girl whose life was miserable throughout everything (Kotonoha).  And trust me, I was satisfied at her death, along with Itou's.

If done right, a yandere character can be seen as a sympathetic and compelling character.

Russia and Belarus are siblings who are shown to be quite adverse to other people; Russia unknowingly and Belarus being hostile.  However, Russia has gone through hardships his whole life - from a child nation, he had undergone torment from not only General Winter, but he was bullied by other nations who tried to invade him, as well as experiencing a number of wars and tragedies his whole time - the Bloody Sunday 1905 strip in particular is where he finally undergoes a mental and emotional breakdown.  As a result, he has strained relationships with his sisters, he mopes that his bosses encourage him to use force in making friends, and he tends to reflect on his past - sometimes even expressing regret for various events.

Belarus meanwhile has more to her than just her obsessive love for her brother: she does have her hobbies such as gymnastics, being fascinated with the occult, having an interest in rock music.  But what really makes her quite intriguing is her displaying signs of existentialism as she questions about her existence, and life.  Her own life, and wondering how much longer she has until she'll die.  She even states that she thought of such things because she's lonely, and mentions that she values her boss because she knows that someday he'll die, and that death always took things from her.  This mindset points at a more tired and weary person who's either tired of everything that's happening, a broken soul who's gone through hardships, or someone who's going down the verge of insanity but is largely aware of it.

Lucy herself starts off as a despicable character - being a cold-hearted killer who won't hesitate to rip the limbs off of anyone that irritates or angers her, or is in her way.  However her back-story has been known to cause many to want to rewind the clock and help her after seeing what happened to her as a child.  Her descent and great change from a sweet and shy girl to the ruthless and cruel monster is unsettling and gives a valuable lesson not to bully or pick on someone just for being different, for it may end as a bite in your ass in the end.  Them (the bullies) killing her only friend, which was just a puppy, most especially caused a number of people to get angry at her tormentors, and want to kill them themselves.  Subsequently, her story is about her trying to atone by first apologizing to the boy whose life she made miserable from her petty jealousy, her inner turmoils and struggles, and also her development of character from a total monster to more of an anti-hero.

All in all, though I'm still largely not fond of yandere characters, I still think they do have the potential to become very incredible and intriguing characters: just like tsundere.  

They just need to be fixed, tweaked, and also handled with either subtlety or sensibly depending on the story you're writing.  You can either downplay it if you choose to make it a comedy; or you can treat things more sensibly and that the yandere has to realize that there are certain repercussions for their actions; or you can just go all out if you choose to make a horror story.  Additionally, yandere characters are characters, too - they need to be fleshed out instead of being a one-note wonder, which will eventually become tiring for some, and is already very exhausting to others.

So, concludes the second assessment of the second character archetype.  Honestly, this exhausted me far more than the tsundere one, so I apologize if I sound quite disoriented in some parts...TTwTT

Questions:
1. What is your opinion on the yandere character archetype?
2. Have you tried to make a character who's a yandere? Have you seen OC's who are yandere?
3. Your examples of a bad and good yandere?
4. If you were the object of affection for an obsessive yandere, what would you do? What would you do if it was a possessive one instead?

So tired right now...gonna rest up.  =^^=

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KandyRain Featured By Owner 2 days ago   Artist
Another rant vid. :D www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQuD8W… lol Enjoy! XD It's a long one. lol
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Hebigami-Okami-77 Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Student General Artist
Watched it, and definitely agree on that.  :D

Freaking rabids in ships...=w=' I should someday do a journal on how stupid that is, but it probably will be after the whole dere archetype entries.  0w0
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KandyRain Featured By Owner 1 day ago   Artist
Thanks! XD I saw your comment. Haha! :D

I can't wait to see more on those! :D Tsundere and Yandere are down! Kuudere and Dandere to go! XD ...I think I got that right, anyway. LOL 

Haha, indeed! Those goddamn rabids! 
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Hebigami-Okami-77 Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Student General Artist
You're very welcome~ >w<

There's also kamidere and himedere, too...^^; they're quite obscure compared to the other dere archetypes, so I wouldn't be surprised if some haven't heard of them.  0w0

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KandyRain Featured By Owner 3 days ago   Artist
kandyrain.deviantart.com/art/A… What I think of mary-sues. Made it on paint. lol
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Hebigami-Okami-77 Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Student General Artist
Oh man, that made me laugh because it's so true.  XDDD
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KandyRain Featured By Owner 3 days ago   Artist
Thank you and yeah, I had to do it. I just had to. xD I laughed as I was doing this in paint and my hand kept shaking from laughter. xD I'll do more some time, about the rabids and draw their facial expressions. I drew these badly on purpose. I can draw better than this, well, the hands I'm still terrible at. I didn't have to try with the hands. XD 
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Hebigami-Okami-77 Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Student General Artist
You're quite welcome~ X3 I'd probably crack up laughing and give up due to a belly-ache if I did that.  XDDD

I actually want to ask for your opinion: I have an idea for a HetaGame.  Not an AU one (somewhat) but a legitimate Hetalia-Hetalia one.  0w0 

The plot is basically where the male nations are getting sucked through a portal that tears open by the antagonist.  The female nations and micronations try to stop things, but everyone ends up getting sucked in.  However, while the female nations and micronations get scattered in the other world they're transported in, the male nations are ultimately kidnapped and kept by the antagonist who wants them for her harem/as her slaves (I'm debating whether to make this a satire of Mary-Sue self-insert OC's, or a more serious story with a more sympathetic villain).  

You control Vietnam and Moldova, and it's up to you to find your friends, rescue your fellow nations, and help the dying and oppressed land from its chains.

The world that you get transported in is a Nyotalia human AU one, btw.  =^^=

I just need a title and I may expand on things a bit more as I write it down.  Your opinion is very appreciated.  >w<
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KandyRain Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2015   Artist
Thank you for adding some of my pics to your album! :3 Thank you also for the kind comments! :D 

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Hebigami-Okami-77 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2015  Student General Artist
You're very welcome! :D they're lovely pictures, and they deserve kind words for being lovely.  =^^=

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